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Why Industrial Water Reuse Is America’s Untapped Solution | Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel

Is America overlooking its most scalable water solution?
In this episode of the Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel, we explore why industrial water reuse may be the most under-leveraged strategy for strengthening U.S. water resilience.
Industry in the United States uses nearly four times more water than municipalities. Yet most federal incentives focus on municipal reuse. What would happen if policy shifted to encourage industrial water recycling at scale?
Eric sits down with Jon Freedman, Global Head of Policy and Stakeholder Engagement at Veralto and President of the International Desalination and Reuse Association, to unpack the policy, economics, and innovation shaping the future of water.
This episode of the Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel dives deep into federal water policy, industrial reuse incentives, desalination cost trends, climate resilience, and how Washington decisions impact the global water industry.
If you work in water, infrastructure, utilities, desalination, reuse, or environmental policy, this conversation matters.
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Timestamps
00:00 – Introduction and Jon Freedman’s background02:15 – From law and finance to the global water industry05:40 – The current U.S. water policy landscape08:10 – Why water remains a bipartisan issue09:45 – Industrial water use vs municipal water use11:20 – The case for investment tax credits for industrial reuse13:00 – U.S. policy vs Singapore and Israel15:05 – Desalination cost declines and innovation trends17:10 – Climate change, resilience, and water scarcity18:45 – Corporate consolidation and water industry evolution19:40 – Career advice and the future of water leadership
Key Topics Covered
Industrial water reuseFederal water policyInfrastructure investmentDesalination innovationWater resilience strategiesClimate change adaptationWater incentives vs mandatesColorado River basin pressuresGlobal water governanceCorporate strategy in the water sector
The Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel spotlights leaders shaping the future of desalination, water reuse, policy, and infrastructure. Each episode delivers insight for water professionals, engineers, investors, regulators, and executives navigating the evolving water landscape.
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The Hidden Trillion-Dollar Secret in Seawater | Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel

The Hidden Trillion-Dollar Secret in Seawater | Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel
Is seawater just a source of drinking water… or is it one of the largest untapped mineral resources on Earth?
In this episode of the Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel, internationally recognized desalination expert Nikolay Voutchkov explains why brine — long considered waste — may actually hold a trillion-dollar opportunity.
For decades, desalination plants have discharged concentrated brine back into the ocean. But what if that “waste” stream contains commercially valuable minerals like sodium chloride, magnesium, and even rubidium? What if desalination plants could become mining operations? And what if the economics have finally shifted enough to make it viable?
This episode explores the breakthrough technologies that may turn brine into a profitable resource — and why the timing may be perfect.
We discuss:
Membrane-based brine concentration
Energy reductions compared to thermal crystallization
Nature-inspired membrane innovation
The economics of salt markets in the Middle East
Global warming’s impact on solar salt production
Zero liquid discharge pressures
The future of renewables in desalination
And a provocative conversation about emerging energy concepts tied to seawater
If you work in desalination, water reuse, water policy, or infrastructure finance, this conversation will change how you think about brine.
⏱ Timestamps
00:00 – Welcome to the Salty Water Podcast01:10 – The origin of brine valorization and the Oman challenge03:45 – Why mineral recovery was not commercially viable before05:30 – The evolution of reverse osmosis membranes07:20 – The breakthrough toward multifunctional membranes09:00 – Membrane concentration vs. thermal crystallization11:30 – Energy demand comparison: 8 kWh vs 75 kWh14:00 – Nature’s osmotic regulation and magnesium chloride draw solutions17:00 – Zero liquid discharge vs. economic drivers18:00 – Why salt markets are changing globally19:30 – Indian solar salt disruption and climate impacts20:30 – Producing salt at $18 per ton21:30 – Renewable energy challenges in desalination22:45 – Rubidium, emerging energy concepts, and future potential26:00 – Final thoughts: where desalination stands today
Key Takeaways
• Brine is not waste. It is a resource stream.• Membrane crystallization dramatically lowers energy requirements.• Salt production economics are shifting globally.• Climate impacts are affecting traditional salt sources.• Desalination plants could evolve into mineral recovery hubs.• The future of desalination may look very different from today’s plants.
The Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel highlights leaders shaping the future of desalination, water reuse, and water infrastructure. Each episode dives deep into innovation, policy, financing, and emerging technologies that will define how the world secures fresh water.
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Building Water Independence and the Future of Water | Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel

What does it really take to build water independence?
In this episode of the Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel, we sit down with Lisa Henthorn, a chemical engineer whose career spans Chevron, the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, global desalination leadership at CH2M Hill, and executive roles in produced water and circular water innovation.
From early research and development to large-scale seawater desalination plants around the world, Lisa has helped shape the modern desalination industry. She has led global engineering teams, served in leadership roles within the International Desalination and Reuse Association, chaired the board of H2O Innovation, and pioneered new approaches to produced water reuse in oil and gas.
This conversation goes beyond technology. We explore the real drivers behind water security, the importance of public trust, and how innovation only succeeds when communities support it.
If you care about desalination, water reuse, water security, infrastructure, circular water systems, or the future of engineering leadership, this episode of the Salty Water Podcast is for you.
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Timestamps (21:43)
00:00 – Rising to the challenge: The theme of Lisa’s career01:00 – Early career at Chevron and the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation02:00 – The moment desalination became her life’s work03:00 – Research, innovation, and finding purpose in water science04:00 – Transition from government R&D to global consulting05:00 – Leading desalination at CH2M Hill06:00 – Career turning points and global leadership08:00 – Working across the Middle East, Asia, and Australia09:00 – What it feels like when a community gains reliable water11:00 – Singapore’s strategic move toward water independence12:00 – Why public support matters as much as technology13:00 – Produced water, circular water systems, and oil & gas15:00 – Technical challenges of high salinity streams16:00 – Is there success at the end of the rainbow?17:00 – Leadership legacy and mentoring the next generation19:00 – Women in engineering: Then and now21:00 – Final reflections on impact and the future of water
Key Takeaways
• Technology alone does not create water independence. Public trust and political support are essential.• Desalination has evolved from niche research to global infrastructure strategy.• Produced water reuse is one of the most complex and promising frontiers in water innovation.• Circular water thinking is reshaping oil and gas operations.• Leadership in water requires technical depth and global perspective.• Women in engineering today have greater opportunity than ever, but mentorship remains critical.
Why This Episode Matters
Water independence is not just about desalination plants. It is about:
Water securityStrategic infrastructureGeopolitical stabilitySustainable engineeringCircular water reuseProduced water managementDesalination technologyGlobal engineering leadership
The Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel highlights the leaders shaping the future of water. This episode is a masterclass in how one career can influence an entire industry.
About the Podcast
The Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel spotlights industry leaders in desalination, water reuse, infrastructure, and global water strategy. Through long-form podcasting conversations, we explore careers, innovation, and the technologies shaping the future of water.
If you are an engineer, policymaker, water executive, or infrastructure professional, this podcast was created for you.
New episodes drop every Friday.
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How Seven Seas Water Doubled in Value to $1B in Just 4 Years | Salty Water Podcast

What does it take to double the value of a water company in less than four years?
In this episode of the Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel, Eric sits down with Henry Charrabé, CEO of Seven Seas Water, to unpack one of the most compelling growth and value creation stories in the global water sector.
When Henry stepped into the CEO role, Seven Seas Water was valued at approximately $500 million. In under four years, the company more than doubled in value and was acquired by EQT for over $1 billion. This conversation explores how that happened, why the strategy worked, and what it signals about the future of water and wastewater infrastructure.
Rather than focusing only on technology, this episode dives deep into leadership, delivery models, and capital strategy. Henry explains why Water as a Service has become a powerful alternative to traditional EPC and build-own-operate approaches, particularly for decentralized water and wastewater systems serving fast-growing communities.
The discussion covers how long-term operating agreements align incentives between operators, investors, and customers, and why decentralized infrastructure can reduce energy use, manage risk, and scale more effectively than large centralized plants. Eric and Henry also compare leadership under private equity ownership versus public markets, including how incentives shift, how planning horizons change, and why clarity around exit strategy matters.
The conversation explores key growth markets including Texas, the Caribbean, and Latin America, and why fast-growing regions require new approaches to water supply and wastewater treatment. Henry shares insights on Texas water policy, infrastructure funding gaps, municipal utility districts, and why Water as a Service models are particularly well suited for both municipal and industrial clients.
Listeners will also hear Henry’s perspective on the future of desalination and wastewater treatment, including energy efficiency, regulatory considerations, and the expanding role of industrial Water as a Service. The episode concludes with a look ahead at what’s next for Seven Seas Water under EQT ownership and the leadership lessons that apply across the broader infrastructure sector.
This episode of the Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel is essential listening for water professionals, utility leaders, engineers, infrastructure investors, and policymakers interested in how smart business models and leadership decisions can unlock rapid, sustainable growth in critical infrastructure.
 
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Episode timestamps: 
00:00 Welcome and why this growth story matters
01:45 Seven Seas Water origins and early desalination roots
03:30 Becoming CEO and resetting strategy
06:00 Private equity ownership vs public markets
08:30 Water as a Service explained
11:15 Decentralized water and wastewater systems
14:20 Texas, Caribbean, and global growth markets
17:10 Future outlook under EQT
19:30 Final thoughts and wrap-up
 
 
About the Salty Water Podcast
The Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel explores the technologies, policies, business models, and leadership shaping the future of water. Through long-form podcast conversations with industry leaders, the show examines desalination, wastewater treatment, infrastructure investment, and innovation across global water markets.
Podcasting allows these complex topics to be explored in depth, with context and nuance that short-form content cannot provide.
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What Do People Still Get Wrong About Desalination Technology? | Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel

What Do People Still Get Wrong About Desalination Technology?
Lessons from 40 Years Inside Desalination and Membrane Technology
Desalination is often misunderstood. It is called too expensive, too energy intensive, or unrealistic at scale. But much of what people believe about desalination technology is outdated, incomplete, or based on early failures rather than decades of real-world progress.
In this episode of the Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel, Eric sits down with John Tonner, Executive Director of the American Membrane Technology Association and an XPRIZE Water Scarcity Judge, for a wide-ranging, career-spanning conversation about what people still get wrong about desalination technology and why those misconceptions persist.
With more than 40 years in the industry, John Tonner has worked across thermal desalination, seawater reverse osmosis, energy recovery systems, international water consulting, and large-scale project development. His career spans early, risky desalination plants, the evolution of membrane technology, major breakthroughs in energy recovery, and today’s global push to address water scarcity through innovation and smarter delivery models.
This episode goes beyond theory. It explores what actually worked, what failed, and what lessons engineers, policymakers, utilities, and the public still need to understand about desalination technology today.
If you care about water security, infrastructure, energy use, public health, or the future of clean drinking water, this episode of the Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel offers rare, experience-driven insight you will not find in academic papers alone.
⏱️ Episode Timestamps
(Approximate, topic-based)
00:00 – Welcome to the Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel02:30 – John Tonner’s unconventional entry into desalination07:15 – Early desalination plants and what went wrong13:40 – Thermal vs reverse osmosis, lessons learned21:10 – Energy recovery myths and real-world breakthroughs30:45 – Why desalination is still misunderstood today38:20 – Cross-border water projects and regulatory challenges47:30 – XPRIZE Water Scarcity competition and future innovation56:10 – What the next generation of water professionals should know01:02:30 – Final reflections on desalination, water scarcity, and progress
🔑 Key Takeaways
Why desalination’s reputation does not match its real-world performance
How early technical and operational mistakes shaped public perception
The role of membrane technology in water reuse and potable supply
Why energy costs are often misunderstood in desalination discussions
What needs to change in project delivery, regulation, and communication
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Parents, communities, and policymakers often ask how water quality affects health, long-term sustainability, and family well-being. Conversations about water access intersect with broader public concerns about infrastructure reliability, environmental safety, and future resilience, topics increasingly discussed alongside issues like sleep, health outcomes, and public trust in science.
🎧 About the Podcast
The Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel is a long-form podcast focused on desalination, water reuse, infrastructure, and the people shaping the future of water. Each episode brings real-world experience and honest conversations to the forefront of global water challenges.
The Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel is available on YouTube and all major podcast platforms.
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Why Desalination Is One of Humanity’s Oldest Technologies | Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel

Why does a technology we think of as “modern” actually date back thousands of years?
In this episode of the Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel, we explore why desalination is one of humanity’s oldest technologies, and how turning seawater into fresh water has shaped civilizations, public health, and the modern world.
This podcast episode features author and engineer Emilio Gabbrielli, whose book traces more than 7,000 years of desalination history. From ancient distillation methods to Renaissance-era designs by Leonardo da Vinci, to Cold War investments championed by John F. Kennedy, this conversation reveals that desalination is not a new invention, but a rediscovered survival technology.
In this episode of the Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel, we connect ancient innovation with modern engineering, exploring how desalination supports public health, families, and communities. Access to clean water is foundational to hygiene, sleep quality, child development, disease prevention, and vaccine effectiveness. For parents and caregivers, reliable fresh water underpins health outcomes that are often taken for granted.
This podcast discussion goes beyond technology to examine geopolitics, environmental concerns, and the myths surrounding desalination. We talk honestly about brine, energy use, cost, and why many misconceptions persist, despite decades of real-world data.
The Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel is a podcast for decision-makers, engineers, utility leaders, policymakers, and anyone interested in water security, infrastructure, and the future of civilization.
⏱️ TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Welcome to the Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel02:10 Why desalination is far older than most people realize05:30 Desalination in ancient civilizations and early survival09:45 Roman ships, distillation, and life at sea14:20 Cleopatra the Alchemist and early distillation science19:10 Leonardo da Vinci’s desalination designs25:30 Desalination during the Age of Discovery31:40 World War II and ship-based desalination36:50 The Middle East, oil, and land-based desalination42:30 JFK, the Cold War, and desalination as a global priority48:10 The birth of modern reverse osmosis membranes53:40 Environmental myths, brine, and real impacts59:30 Why clean water matters for health, sleep, and families1:04:30 The future of desalination and water innovation1:10:00 Final thoughts and where to find the book
🔑 KEY POINTS FROM THIS PODCAST EPISODE
Desalination is one of humanity’s oldest survival technologies
Ancient, Renaissance, and modern desalination methods are deeply connected
Leonardo da Vinci designed early desalination systems
JFK viewed desalination as a humanitarian and global priority
Clean water is essential for health, hygiene, sleep, and disease prevention
Reliable water access supports families, children, and vaccine effectiveness
Environmental concerns around desalination are often misunderstood
Modern reverse osmosis builds on decades of public research
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The Hidden Infrastructure That Keeps Tampa Bay Running | Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel

Water is invisible, until it is not.
In this episode of the Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel, host Eric Jankel sits down with Harry Cohen, Hillsborough County Commissioner and Chairman of Tampa Bay Water, to uncover the hidden infrastructure that quietly supports daily life for more than 2.6 million people across the Tampa Bay region.
From hurricanes and drought cycles to rapid population growth and environmental protection, this conversation explains how groundwater, surface water, and desalination work together to keep water flowing under pressure. At the center of the system is the Tampa Bay seawater desalination plant, the first large-scale municipal seawater reverse osmosis plant in North America, and a critical safeguard against water shortages.
This episode is essential listening for anyone interested in desalination, water infrastructure, public policy, climate resilience, and podcasting about complex systems that directly affect families, public health, and everyday life. Reliable water underpins everything, from household health to regional economic stability.
The Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel goes beyond headlines to explore how long-term planning, investment, and regional cooperation protect future water supplies.
⏱️ Timestamps
00:00 – Why water is a precious and finite resource01:00 – Tampa Bay’s unique role in North American desalination02:00 – How Tampa Bay Water serves over 2.6 million residents03:15 – Regional planning successes, and where other systems fall short04:30 – Groundwater, surface water, and desalination explained05:45 – Environmental regulation and partnership with SWFWMD06:45 – Why irrigation accounts for nearly half of water demand08:15 – Drought cycles, conservation, and watering restrictions09:00 – Why desalination is the only drought-proof supply11:00 – Long-term water planning and future supply options13:00 – Refurbishing and modernizing the desalination plant15:00 – Pipelines, reservoirs, and system-wide expansion16:30 – Lessons for California, Texas, and other growing regions18:30 – Environmental monitoring, marine life, and water quality20:00 – Regional cooperation as the real infrastructure success
🔑 Key Takeaways
• Why desalination functions as an insurance policy for water systems• How Tampa Bay balances cost, reliability, and environmental protection• The economics behind blending multiple water sources• Why conservation policies dramatically reduce demand• How water planning impacts families, public health, and resilience• What other regions can learn from Tampa Bay’s cooperative model
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Salty Water Podcast with Eric Jankel is for decision-makers, innovators, and leaders shaping the future of water.
Each episode features in-depth conversations with experts across desalination, water reuse, water infrastructure, and water technology, offering practical insight into what is working, what is changing, and what is coming next, without hype, just real experience.
Hosted by Eric Jankel, a water industry executive with more than 40 years of global experience. Eric is the CEO of Aqualyng Holdings, founding director of the Middle East Desalination Research Center in Muscat, Oman, and former commercial lead for desalination technologies at global engineering firms including Hatch and Jacobs.
Over his career, Eric has worked alongside some of the most dedicated and innovative professionals in the water sector. This podcast is his opportunity to bring their stories, lessons, and insights directly to you.
In addition to deep dives on breakthrough technologies, policy shifts, and project development, the Salty Water Podcast features career spotlight episodes that explore how industry leaders entered the field, what they have learned along the way, and what guidance they want to pass on to the next generation. These conversations are especially valuable for professionals in government, utilities, engineering, project development, and environmental strategy.
The Salty Water Podcast helps you stay informed on the people and ideas making global water systems more efficient, sustainable, and resilient.
New episodes are released weekly on Fridays.
Season 1 is 10 episodes.
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